The Thus Gone One Is and Is Not
Hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgata (SN 24.17)
1-2. Sāvatthi repeat. “Monks, conscious of what, grasping and settling in what, arise the view, `the Thus Gone One is and is not, after death'?”
3. “Venerable sir, the Blessed One is the leader for the Teaching, hearing it from the Blessed One the monks will bear it in mind.”
“Then monks, listen carefully, I will tell you.
4. “Monks, conscious of matter, grasping and settling in matter, arise the view, `the world is not eternal'.
5-8. “Monks, conscious of feelings, perceptions, intentions, and consciousness, grasping and settling in them arise the view, `the world is not eternal'.
9. “Monks, is matter permanent or impermanent?”
“Venerable sir, it is impermanent.”
“That which is impermanent, is it unpleasant or pleasant?”
“Venerable sir, it is unpleasant.”
“Adhering that it is impermanent, unpleasant, changing, would the view arise, `the world is not eternal'?”
“That is not so, venerable sir.”
10-13. “Are feelings, perceptions, intentions, and consciousness permanent or impermanent?”
“Venerable sir, they are impermanent.”
“Those which are impermanent are they unpleasant or pleasant?”
“Venerable sir, they are unpleasant.”
“Adhering they are impermanent, unpleasant, changing would the view arise, `the world is not eternal'?”
“That is not so, venerable sir.”
14. Monks, are whatever seen, heard, sensed, cognized, achieved and pursued by the mind permanent or impermanent?”
“Venerable sir, they are impermanent.”
“Those which are impermanent, are they unpleasant or pleasant?”
“Venerable sir, they are unpleasant.”
“Adhering they are impermanent, unpleasant, changing would the view arise, `the world is not eternal'?”
“That is not so, venerable sir.”
15. “Monks, when the learned noble disciple has dispelled doubts in these six instances, his doubts about unpleasantness, its arising, ceasing, and the method for the ceasing of unpleasantness too are dispelled. Monks, to this is said the noble disciple has entered the stream of the Teaching. He would not fall from there and his single aim would be enlightenment.”
3. “Venerable sir, the Blessed One is the leader for the Teaching, hearing it from the Blessed One the monks will bear it in mind.”
“Then monks, listen carefully, I will tell you.
4. “Monks, conscious of matter, grasping and settling in matter, arise the view, `the world is not eternal'.
5-8. “Monks, conscious of feelings, perceptions, intentions, and consciousness, grasping and settling in them arise the view, `the world is not eternal'.
9. “Monks, is matter permanent or impermanent?”
“Venerable sir, it is impermanent.”
“That which is impermanent, is it unpleasant or pleasant?”
“Venerable sir, it is unpleasant.”
“Adhering that it is impermanent, unpleasant, changing, would the view arise, `the world is not eternal'?”
“That is not so, venerable sir.”
10-13. “Are feelings, perceptions, intentions, and consciousness permanent or impermanent?”
“Venerable sir, they are impermanent.”
“Those which are impermanent are they unpleasant or pleasant?”
“Venerable sir, they are unpleasant.”
“Adhering they are impermanent, unpleasant, changing would the view arise, `the world is not eternal'?”
“That is not so, venerable sir.”
14. Monks, are whatever seen, heard, sensed, cognized, achieved and pursued by the mind permanent or impermanent?”
“Venerable sir, they are impermanent.”
“Those which are impermanent, are they unpleasant or pleasant?”
“Venerable sir, they are unpleasant.”
“Adhering they are impermanent, unpleasant, changing would the view arise, `the world is not eternal'?”
“That is not so, venerable sir.”
15. “Monks, when the learned noble disciple has dispelled doubts in these six instances, his doubts about unpleasantness, its arising, ceasing, and the method for the ceasing of unpleasantness too are dispelled. Monks, to this is said the noble disciple has entered the stream of the Teaching. He would not fall from there and his single aim would be enlightenment.”
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