Venerable Isidatta II
Isidatta 2 (SN 41.3)
1. At one time many elder monks were living in the Ambataka grove in Macchikasanda.
2. Then the householder Citta approached the elder monks, worshipped and sat on side.
3. Sitting on a side the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, accept tomorrow's meal from me.”
The elder monks accepted the offer in silence.
4. Then the householder Citta knowing that the elder monks had accepted the offer got up from his seat, worshipped, and circumambulated the elder monks and went away.
5. Then the elder monks at the end of that night when it was morning, dressing robes and taking bowls and robes approached the house of Citta the householder and sat on the prepared seats.
6. Then the householder Citta approached the elder monks worshipped and sat on a side
7. Sitting on a side the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, various views arise in the world, such as the world is everlasting or not everlasting, the world is limited or not limited, life and body is the same, or life is different from the body, or the Thus Gone One is after death, or the Thus Gone One is not after death, or the Thus Gone One is and is not after death, or the Thus Gone One neither is nor is not after death, the sixty two views as told in the Brahmajala Sutta. Venerable sirs, when what is present, are these views present and when what is not present are these views not present?”
When this was asked the elder monks became silent.
8. For the second time the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, when what is present are these views present?*
When this was asked for the second time elder monks became silent.
9. Even for the third time the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, when what is present are these views present?*
When this was asked for the third time the elder monks became silent.
10. At that time, out of those elder monks the monk with the least number of years as a elder was venerable Isidatta.
11. Then venerable Isidatta said to the elder monks, “Venerable sirs, permit me to answer the householder Citta's question.”
They said, “Isidatta, answer the householder Citta's question.”
12. “Householder, do you ask `Venerable sirs, these various views arise in the world such as the world is everlasting and so on. Venerable sirs, when what is present, are these views present and when what is not present are these views not present?'.”
“That is right venerable sir.”
“Householder, the various views arise in the world, such as the world is everlasting or not everlasting, the world is limited or not limited, life and body is the same, or life is different from the body, or the Thus Gone One is after death, or the Thus Gone One is not after death, or the Thus Gone One is and is not after death, or the Thus Gone One neither is nor is not after death, the sixty two views as told in the Brahmajala Sutta arise when the self view is present and they do not arise when the self view is not present.”
13. “Venerable sir, how does the self view arise?
“Householder, the not learned ordinary man, who has not seen noble ones or Great Men, not heard their Teaching, not tamed or clever in their Teaching reflects matter from self, or a material self, or in self matter, or in matter self. He reflects feelings from self, or a feeling self, or in feelings self or in self feelings. He reflects perceptions from self, or a perceiving self, or in self perceptions or in perceptions self. He reflects intentions from self, or an intending self, or in self intentions, or in intentions self. He reflects consciousness from self, or a conscious self, or in self consciousness, or in consciousness self. Householder, this is the arising of self view.
14. “Venerable sir, how does the self view not arise?
“Householder, the learned noble disciple who has seen noble ones and Great Men heard their Teaching, tamed and clever in their Teaching does not reflect matter from self, or a material self, or in self matter, or in matter self. He does not reflect feelings from self, or a feeling self, or in self feelings, or in feelings self. He does not reflect perceptions from self, or a perceiving self, or in self perceptions, or in perceptions self. He does not reflect intentions from self, or an intending self, or in self intentions, or in intentions self. He does not reflect consciousness from self, or a conscious self, or in self consciousness, or in consciousness self. Householder, this is non arising of the self view.”
15. “Venerable sir, Isidatta from where do you come?”
“Householder, I come from Avanti.”
“Venerable sir, is there a clansman named Isidatta in Avanti, who has gone forth from the Ambataka grove, we were friends who have not seen each other. Have you seen him sir?”
“Yes, householder, I have seen him”
“Where does venerable Isidatta live at present?”
When this was asked venerable Isidatta was silent. “Venerable sir, are you that venerable Isidatta?” “Householder, yes, I am, Isidatta.”
“Venerable Isidatta, be pleased to live in the Ambataka grove in Micchikasanda. I will attend to the needs of the venerable one and support offering robes, morsel food, dwellings and requisites when ill.”
“Householder, your words are good!”
16. The householder Citta delighted in the words of venerable Isidatta, agreed with him and satisfied and pleased the elder monks offering nourishing eatables and drinks with his own hands.
17. Then the elder monks having partaken the meal and putting away their bowls went away.
18. Then those elder monks said to venerable Isidatta: “Friend, Isidatta, it's good that you explained that question. In this same manner you should explain any other questions that come up.”
19. Then venerable Isidatta arranged his dwelling and taking bowl and robes went away from Micchikasanda not to come back again.
2. Then the householder Citta approached the elder monks, worshipped and sat on side.
3. Sitting on a side the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, accept tomorrow's meal from me.”
The elder monks accepted the offer in silence.
4. Then the householder Citta knowing that the elder monks had accepted the offer got up from his seat, worshipped, and circumambulated the elder monks and went away.
5. Then the elder monks at the end of that night when it was morning, dressing robes and taking bowls and robes approached the house of Citta the householder and sat on the prepared seats.
6. Then the householder Citta approached the elder monks worshipped and sat on a side
7. Sitting on a side the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, various views arise in the world, such as the world is everlasting or not everlasting, the world is limited or not limited, life and body is the same, or life is different from the body, or the Thus Gone One is after death, or the Thus Gone One is not after death, or the Thus Gone One is and is not after death, or the Thus Gone One neither is nor is not after death, the sixty two views as told in the Brahmajala Sutta. Venerable sirs, when what is present, are these views present and when what is not present are these views not present?”
When this was asked the elder monks became silent.
8. For the second time the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, when what is present are these views present?*
When this was asked for the second time elder monks became silent.
9. Even for the third time the householder Citta said to the elder monks: “Venerable sirs, when what is present are these views present?*
When this was asked for the third time the elder monks became silent.
10. At that time, out of those elder monks the monk with the least number of years as a elder was venerable Isidatta.
11. Then venerable Isidatta said to the elder monks, “Venerable sirs, permit me to answer the householder Citta's question.”
They said, “Isidatta, answer the householder Citta's question.”
12. “Householder, do you ask `Venerable sirs, these various views arise in the world such as the world is everlasting and so on. Venerable sirs, when what is present, are these views present and when what is not present are these views not present?'.”
“That is right venerable sir.”
“Householder, the various views arise in the world, such as the world is everlasting or not everlasting, the world is limited or not limited, life and body is the same, or life is different from the body, or the Thus Gone One is after death, or the Thus Gone One is not after death, or the Thus Gone One is and is not after death, or the Thus Gone One neither is nor is not after death, the sixty two views as told in the Brahmajala Sutta arise when the self view is present and they do not arise when the self view is not present.”
13. “Venerable sir, how does the self view arise?
“Householder, the not learned ordinary man, who has not seen noble ones or Great Men, not heard their Teaching, not tamed or clever in their Teaching reflects matter from self, or a material self, or in self matter, or in matter self. He reflects feelings from self, or a feeling self, or in feelings self or in self feelings. He reflects perceptions from self, or a perceiving self, or in self perceptions or in perceptions self. He reflects intentions from self, or an intending self, or in self intentions, or in intentions self. He reflects consciousness from self, or a conscious self, or in self consciousness, or in consciousness self. Householder, this is the arising of self view.
14. “Venerable sir, how does the self view not arise?
“Householder, the learned noble disciple who has seen noble ones and Great Men heard their Teaching, tamed and clever in their Teaching does not reflect matter from self, or a material self, or in self matter, or in matter self. He does not reflect feelings from self, or a feeling self, or in self feelings, or in feelings self. He does not reflect perceptions from self, or a perceiving self, or in self perceptions, or in perceptions self. He does not reflect intentions from self, or an intending self, or in self intentions, or in intentions self. He does not reflect consciousness from self, or a conscious self, or in self consciousness, or in consciousness self. Householder, this is non arising of the self view.”
15. “Venerable sir, Isidatta from where do you come?”
“Householder, I come from Avanti.”
“Venerable sir, is there a clansman named Isidatta in Avanti, who has gone forth from the Ambataka grove, we were friends who have not seen each other. Have you seen him sir?”
“Yes, householder, I have seen him”
“Where does venerable Isidatta live at present?”
When this was asked venerable Isidatta was silent. “Venerable sir, are you that venerable Isidatta?” “Householder, yes, I am, Isidatta.”
“Venerable Isidatta, be pleased to live in the Ambataka grove in Micchikasanda. I will attend to the needs of the venerable one and support offering robes, morsel food, dwellings and requisites when ill.”
“Householder, your words are good!”
16. The householder Citta delighted in the words of venerable Isidatta, agreed with him and satisfied and pleased the elder monks offering nourishing eatables and drinks with his own hands.
17. Then the elder monks having partaken the meal and putting away their bowls went away.
18. Then those elder monks said to venerable Isidatta: “Friend, Isidatta, it's good that you explained that question. In this same manner you should explain any other questions that come up.”
19. Then venerable Isidatta arranged his dwelling and taking bowl and robes went away from Micchikasanda not to come back again.
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